Good post Bilko. I think you're right, enforcing rules that are not written down is a recipe for drama. I'm very relaxed with enforcing any of the none-written rules. As they're harder to enforce due it it not being officially stated. I don't think i'm alone there. But this adds to the issue as we then become inconsistent. If I encounter a jumper, I just take the death or the missed kill and move along to the next one without giving it a thought. It's certainly easier to follow and enforce if written.
Afterburn wrote:Excellent post, all good points. we will fix this. Any type of run and guns tactics is against the rule here and really thought all knew this.
I think the issue is many just consider whatever they are doing as a tactic. They don't box it off into tactical tactics vs run and good tactics. They're just doing what comes naturally to them or makes sense to them. Many people have been playing for 10+ years with essentially no rules and land in a tactical server with a lot to learn. I think if we assume that X is an obvious tactical rule is our shortfall - it is only obvious once you know
At the same time we have to be mindful of the server's position of staying relaxed and having fun. We don't want to choke the server with an onslaught of additional rules.
Afterburn wrote:The problem with rooftops on most maps is it provides a line of sight into spawn, therefore the shooting across the map into spawn happens. In some cases the rooftop may be directly center of a map, which breaks the camping center rule and not falling back.
I don't know if rooftops need adding. In some situations you could easily defend your flag from a roof top and no one really cares. For example you never see people complain if you're on the roof about 15feet away from the brit flag @ toujane. As long as that person is looking the correct way etc it's common for people to be there when the brits have both, and no one ever says "dont be on the roof when you have both" in that situation. There are many examples of this. Of course if you feel that needs to stop and think outright no rooftops is required then lets address that. But - I think the rules we have, as AB has point out already cover what the problem is; Spawn shooting, not falling back. Thus we can enforce rules better by not making it look like we are 'making up' rules. Instead of saying "no roof tops when you have both" just say... you didn't fall back, or your shooting spawn / shooting across the map etc. I don't believe the roof is the problem, the problem is already defined in our rules. A bit like "camping centre" which has popped up a few times, "centre" is not mentioned in our rules once, nor middle or any other synonym. Our rule is; camping across the map, spawn points, enemy base and choke points. in the language of saying 'dont camp centre' makes it look like we're just mad at being killed and making a rule up to suit ourselves.
Another one that pops up from time to time is running with the flag when under fire. I never do it, but some think the normal run rules apply and it's unclear. I'm not even sure myself!
I've seen admins run with the flag. I've seen admins say you can't run with the flag. As I say, I don't do it, but it's easy to understand why a player might run if a nade lands at their feet and they follow normal 'running procedure' as no where says you cant.
So that's 3 we need to think about, hopping, roof tops and flag running. What are the other unwritten rules / points of clarity? Running to throw nades too? Capturing HQ's through walls? List them and we can chew them over in the admin area for a solution. I don't think we need to add a 'bunch more rules' but we could easily add one more rules, ie...
"Additional Tactical Play: No bunny hops to avoid being killed, no killing private tiger when he's not looking, no blah, no blah blah" we can easy 'tick them off' if we agree to do so within one 'capture all the rest' rule. Which will avoid us having a 100 page rule list but give us all more clarity as admins and players.